Saturday, December 10, 2016

Why It's often a BAD IDEA to buy a used RV from an INDIVIDUAL


Many people think that if they want to get a great deal on a camper they need to hit up Craigslist and find a For Sale By Owner.  I'm here to tell you that you often get the WORST DEALS EVER when buying from an individual.

Why?

#1 - It is common practice for a person to finance a new camper for up to 15 years with $0 down.  So they are going into the camper loan with ZERO equity.   So 2 or 3 years later when they want to sell it, they will have not made even a small dent into their loan because of the length of time it was financed.  And, I can tell you from experience, most owners want to sell their camper for at least what they owe on it.  Here is a for example...Joe Smith pays $25,000 for a new camper.  He finances it with $0 down @ 5% for 180 months.  Fast forward 18 months...Joe wants to sell that camper, he still owes $23.356 and that is assuming he didn't add any DMV fees, hitch work, accessories, etc into his loan.  Joe will want to sell his camper for at least $23,000 (only $2,000 less than he paid) for a camper that has been USED, no idea how it has been maintained, has no factory warranty on it.  Not such a good deal.


It's not unusual for me to see FSBO posts for 2-3 year old campers that the owner is asking more for than what I can sell an equivalent NEW camper with a full warranty for (granted, we do have the lowest selling prices of any dealer in the area, so this may not apply with comparing prices to other RV Dealers around here).


#2- Individuals do not understand how to value a used camper.   They hop on NADA guides and find their year/make/model and then they go to town adding "options" to bump up the value.  However, if you read the small print on NADA, it will say "only add options that are not standard on the unit when it was new".  Here is an excellent example.  I found this ad in our local Craigslist.  The price seemed really high to me (selling a 4 year old camper for $21k..I sell an equivalent unit with MORE OPTIONS and features brand new for $24,995), so I clicked on the ad and saw that this seller did what almost every single individual on Craigslist does when valuing their camper.


I click through the photos and see that the seller has listed the NADA value...shown here is their "NADA VALUE"

I look at his list of "options" and know that the majority of those items come STANDARD on this unit.  I pull up a 2013 Jayco brochure and verify which options are actually standard.  Here is my edited NADA showing which items are actually standard...

So, this guy is saying that his camper is worth $27,660...but he'll sell it for the bargain price of $21,000...well, lets look at the ACTUAL NADA Value and see if that's a good deal..

FULL NADA RETAIL (which as a dealer I never sell anything at Full Retail...always sell closer to wholesale value with the rare exception of unique/high demand units or very old units that are sold at market value) is $19,910 a far cry from the seller's stated value of $27,660...so that bargain price of $21,000 doesn't seem like such a bargain now does it?

And, before you think I'm picking on a person, please note that I did contact this seller to tell him/her that they are not doing the NADA value correctly, sent them the full list of features that are Standard on their camper and also sent them the correct NADA value..they have not changed their ad even knowing that they are opening themselves up for litigation from the future buyer by misrepresenting the value of their camper.

Do your research before you buy from Craigslist FSBO.  You don't want to get buried in a camper and owe so much more than it's worth that you can never trade out of it.  For example, if you purchased this camper for $21,000 and decided it wasn't a good fit and came to me to trade out of it..I would be offering roughly $14,000 in trade value (per the NADA trade value)...so you would immediately be upside down by $7,000 the minute you bought that unit.

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  1. Al’s Trailer Sales is one of the few family owned and operated RV dealers in Oregon. For well over 40 years, Al’s Trailer Sales has served the Salem, Eugene, Portland and Bend metro areas with new and used RVs from top brands including Keystone, Forest River, Dutchmen, Coleman, Grand Design and others.

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